Anyway, the latest version of the Occupy Wall Street demands.....now, granted, these supposedly aren't official, but I've seen too many similar versions to not believe that at least some of these are what they are after....from the OWS blog site--which by the way, you have to be logged into to comment.....
Forum Post: Proposed list of OWS Demands
Posted 3 weeks ago on Oct. 23, 2011, 11:21 p.m. EST by bchang1987
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This content is user submitted and not an official statement
Repeal the Taft-Hartley Act. Unionize ALL workers immediately.
Raise the minimum wage immediately to $18/hr. Create a maximum wage of $90/hr to eliminate inequality.
Institute a 6 hour workday, and 6 weeks of paid vacation.
Institute a moratorium on all foreclosures and layoffs immediately.
Repeal racist and xenophobic English-only laws.
Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal. Offer immediate, unconditional amnesty, to all undocumented residents of the US.
Create a single-payer, universal health care system.
Pass stricter campaign finance reform laws. Ban all private donations. All campaigns will receive equal funding, provided by the taxpayers.
Institute a negative income tax, and tax the very rich at rates up to 90%.
Pass far stricter environmental protection and animal rights laws.
Allow workers to elect their supervisors.
Lower the retirement age to 55. Increase Social Security benefits.
Create a 5% annual wealth tax for the very rich.
Ban the private ownership of land.
Make homeschooling illegal. Religious fanatics use it to feed their children propaganda.
Reduce the age of majority to 16.
Abolish the death penalty and life in prison. We call for the immediate release of all death row inmates from death row and transferred to regular prisons.
Release all political prisoners immediately.
Immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Abolish the debt limit.
Ban private gun ownership.
Strengthen the separation of church and state.
Immediate debt forgiveness for all.
End the 'War on Drugs'.
Ok, let's pick some of these apart.....
1. Unionize all workers immediately......does this also mean management? What if a worker doesn't want to be in a union? Why would anyone want this, except for liberals and communists, who would then use the vast amounts of new union dues to forward their lost and misguided cause? Oh and if you want an immediate way for ALL prices to increase on EVERYTHING, yeah, go ahead and unionize, b/c every single time a union is brought in and the company accepts a demand, prices go up b/c the company is not going to lose money. Otherwise they cease to exist and as shit flows downhill, so does that local union.
2. Minimum wage to $18/hr and maximum $90/hr??? Well, I thought the goal was to level the playing field, so wouldn't everyone have to be paid the same regardless of what they do?
3. Ok a 6 hr workday, especially as I am retail management headed into the Christmas season, yeah that sounds pretty good.....but now this 6 wks paid vacation, while it sounds pretty good, let's take where I work for example. Right now we have 7 fulltime workers, including management, who are eligible for paid vacations , the number of weeks based on years of service. So 4 of us have been there long enough to reach the max of 4 wks per year, 1 gets 3 wks, the other 2 get 2 weeks. So there are 23 of the 52 weeks of the year accounted for. Take out of the equation the 8 weeks prior to Christmas where no one is allowed, due to business needs, to take vacation, so we are down to 44 weeks, of which you have already used 23. Then take out the 4 wks prior to inventory and we are down to 40 available weeks for vacation, of which 23 are spoken for. 17 weeks left to account for, just for full timers, an additional 14 weeks of vacation, which leaves 3 weeks leftover. Yeah and that doesn't account for the part timers, whom I am assuming would also be allowed to take those 6 weeks ......Now I know my math is a little off, b/c I forgot that I needed to add more than two weeks to the ones who didn't already have 4 wks, but the point is the same.....y'all don't have any frigging clue how a business operates.......
4. A moratorium on all foreclosure and layoffs....ok, let's leave the foreclosures out of this for a minute.....So at the end of the Christmas season, when I no longer need the seasonal employees I hired, who know they are only seasonal workers, I would have to keep them....ok fine, then they and the ones who have been there for years get like 5 hours a week, because that is all the payroll I will have come January. How about the ski resorts who don't need the lift operators come June? I'm sorry, your math does not compute....and that's just on layoffs.
5. Racist and xenophobic English only laws? ok, muhammed...you came to this country, so Pablo---learn to speak and do business in the language of the country you came to.....I couldn't give a horse's patootie what language you speak in your own home....speak Klingon for all I care....but by God, when I pick up a phone to call a business or go through a drive through or have to have emergency medical care....I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHO THE HELL I AM SPEAKING TO---AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND ME!!!!!!!! got it???? Good......
6. Open all borders to any kind of immigrant..offer immediate amnesty to any currently here illegally..........I have so many problems with this, I can;t even begin to enumerate them....First and foremost, yes as a country we have always welcomed immigrants, in general. While there have been pockets of anti-certain-groups, in general we have been a pretty friendly place to come and live. However, we also have laws on the books....the FEDERAL books....that give the ways in which to do this legally. Please do so or leave. That is all for the moment.
7. single payer, universal health care system------this one has been argued to death and I'm sick of it.........start making people responsible for their own health care choices.....and quit letting them use the ER to run up big tabs for the sniffles, and start actually prosecuting those who knowingly defraud the system.......there is no reason to pay $50 for a tylenol when I can buy the generic at the dollar store for yep you guessed it, a DOLLAR!!!!
8. stricter campaign finance laws----ban all private donations, all elections funded by the taxpayer........well obviously you have your head up your ass. I'm all for reforming campaign finance laws, like no donations from corporations or unions or foreign entities of any kind. Only individual citizens should be allowed to donate to any given campaign, as much as they want. But absolutely NO donations by any group of any kind as a group. And no picking my pocket to fund anything I do not give my express permission for.
9. a negative income tax, and tax the rich up to 90% of their income------again your head is up your ass.......hello, the rich are the ones who provide a hell of a lot of jobs in this country, so tax 90% of their income and they have to reason not only to create jobs and opportunities, they have no incentive to work either. We may as well be Sweden or some other country where income is taxed to death........
10. stricter environmental and animal rights laws--------well since people with a puddle in their front yard can't mow anymore for fear of disturbing a "wetland", and animals have more rights than humans........any questions? Didn't think so.
11. allow workers to elect their supervisors?------ummmmm, when I stop laughing long enough, I might just comment on this one.........
12. lower retirement age to 55 and raise social security benefits........ok, we have already had the work day lowered to 6 hrs from 8 or more, so less income. Which means less income to be taxed for SS benefits.....now lower the age of retirement to 55, you shorten the working life, which also means less taxable income available to derive benefits from.....so how do we raise the amount of benefits? Oh yeah, I guess there's always ANOTHER loan from China.......
13. 5% annual wealth tax for the very rich------ummmm, I think we already covered taxing the rich as punishment for being rich a couple of points ago...........
14. Ban private ownership of land------um yeah, you can have my land I have worked all my life to have the privilege of living on with no landlord to tell me what to do with my own home....NOT by a longshot......I bought it with my money from my paycheck I get for working......and you will take it from me when I am out of ammo........and not even then.....I will hide your body so no one will ever even know you existed........give me a break....
15..Make home schooling illegal b/c religious people feed their children propoganda that way......ummm, and forcing them to watch Channel 1 in public school is not feeding them liberal nonsense? Home schooling is how those who can teach their children not only the material they actually need to learn to master a subject, but also to impart their values. By the grace of God, my kids attend public school, but have come through it with the values we teach them instead of what liberal leftie loonies want them to know......
16. reduce the age of majority to 16.......is this to try to make up for some of the lack of taxes the govt will receive from the lower paychecks of the shorter workdays and shortened working years ? Or is it a ploy to make the age of consent lower also so parents have less say in the lives of emotionally and mentally immature children?
17. Abolish the death penalty and life in prison....etc....I'm sorry, I'm not a huge fan of the death penalty, but some crimes demand it. Rape and murder a child, yes. Mass murder or serial murder, yes. Life in prison......well the year I would give you to appeal your sentence before we put you in front of the firing squad, well consider it your life sentence. If you commit a crime, do the damn time or do not do the crime. Plain and simple. It's God's law and man;s law. Deal with it,.
18. release all political prisoner immediately-----yeah please release me from the never ending gridlock and stupidity and pure ignorance that populates the world of politics.
19. immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan---ok, I will give on that one----but it has to be done so as not to put our troops at any more risk than they absolutely have to be.....
20. abolish the debt limit-------so we can go into even more debt that we can't repay? Why not just tell China to come take us over ? WTF are you thinking?????????Doesn't make sense any way you look at it........
21. ban private gun ownership........HELL NO AND OVER MY DEAD BODY AND DO YOU FEEL LUCKY PUNK????? kiss my butt and whatever else you think you can reach before you hit the ground........and try not to bleed on my carpet.
22.strengthen the separation of church and state......ok once again, let me try to explain this to you using the smallest words I can find. The Constitution says the govt shall not ESTABLISH a religion---make us all worship the same way, etc......ok? It does not say that I cannot freely worship as I see fit, whether you like it or not.....tolerance goes both ways....I have to tolerate that you worship yourself, well, then you may have to suffer seeing my bowed head when I sit to eat dinner at a restaurant.
23. immediate debt forgiveness for all? well i'd like to say hell to the yeah, but I was taught that if something sounds too good to be true it probably is, and if I wasn't a little on the tired side at the moment from trying to give logical responses to the rest of these ridiculous demands, I might be able to figure out just what is so wrong with this one....besides the fact that it would immediately put a lot of businesses out of business b/c no one could afford to buy anything.....cars, homes, etc.......businesses would not be able to upgrade in some cases...Debt is not something most people aspire too, but it is an unfortunate fact of living in this overtaxed society.
24. end the war on drugs-------sure, make 'em legal and tax the hell out of them......then the growers and suppliers and dealers and users would just find something else........
I'm sure there are a lot more points to be made on this, but quite frankly, as I work full time and raise a family, I don';t have the time to look up a bunch of statistics to go with this....I'm sure someone else has easier access to do so........and I hope they do......hell I just wish I had the time to sit around and make up stupid demands like the OWS'ers seem to do.....oh yeah, that's right, I am an adult with responsibilities.....
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